Posted by
HvySlpr on Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:38:02 AM
H: Err on the side of
life then. And don’t say “What is life?” If you agree that abortion may be the taking of an innocent life, there is a moral imperative to stop it. Free will is given to us, but you wouldn’t say that murderers or rapists or thieves are
merely exercising their free will and shouldn’t be punished for it. We cannot stop free will, but we can punish the misuse of it. When speaking of Christianity, it is important to note that judgment and punishment are two different things. We do not have the power to judge, ultimately, but the power to punish is something we do have. Doing things that harm yourself and nobody else (some drugs taken correctly and safely) is a correct exercise of free will. When you harm someone else while doing it, you have infringed on another’s right to safety and self preservation.
“Do you propose any woman that has had an abortion be punished?” Yes, if it can be proven and she is given her Fifth Amendment rights. Intent and motive must be proven, like all deaths leading to a homicide investigation.
J: Isn’t this all relative? We share differing views on this topic. You may view it as criminal or immoral, I view it as a personal choice. That is what life is…choice. We live with the decisions we make and face the consequences of our actions. But I am not in a position to make choices for others. At what point is a fertilized egg not apart of a women’s body? I think it is not apart of her body at birth and the cord is cut. We live according to our perceptions, for the most part. If someone believes in something, it is. So, you believing it is immoral, it is. And I believing it is a personal choice, it is. Can we both be wrong and right? Yes, based on each perspective. As before, abortion as a form of birth control is wrong…practice safe sex. Approximately between 1-18% of pregnancies occur when birth control is properly used, depending on the method of birth control. I assume that you would say it does not matter, even if a child is unwanted and proper birth control is used and used properly. In the end, it comes down to choices, and we live with the choices we make and the consequences. Put yourself in this type of situation: and abortion is done, against your will, but this is not the will of your partner, so it is done anyway. How do you handle it? Is it your duty to control your partner in this manner? This is what sound like a form of control. Forget about abortion for a minute and let’s just say all women must have babies, even if they don’t desire to, because it’s wrong not to have children. What then?
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H: When life becomes relative anything is possible: You like having sex with kids? Its all relative. You like to rob people? Property is all relative. You like to rape women? "No" is such a relative term. You don't believe Jesus was crucified? It's okay; you’re still a Christian, relatively speaking. There are no beliefs. There is no right and wrong. There is no evil and there is no good. No God, no Devil. When moral relativity reigns supreme everything can be explained away, including all bad behaviors.
You can be wrong. As can I. If I am proven wrong, oh well. If you are proven wrong it will be at the defense of women who kill children to make their lives easier. You are a fool's fool. If there is nothing wrong with abortion, how can you disagree with those who use it as birth control? It is their choice, their money, and her body.
"At what point is a fertilized egg not apart of a women's body? I think it is not apart of her body at birth and the cord is cut."
So at nine months, at a live birth, a baby can be killed, as long as the cord hasn't been cut? Can the whole body be out of the womb, or just part of it? What about a c-section? If the baby is born premature can it be aborted after the cord is cut? Chances are it will have a machine keeping it alive anyway, like my brother. That's not really "alive," right? If you close your eyes and never actually see the baby, you could probably kill it the next day. It's your choice. Matter of fact, if you have a girl, but really wanted a boy, just send her, or it, sorry, down the river. Or abort her early, like they have been doing in India. Girls have cooties anyway. I'm going to encourage black women to abort, to take care of the welfare problem and crime problem in the black community. I'll talk to Jews, non-Catholics, Muslims, midgets, any every one without blonde hair and blue eyes, to do the same. Oh well, it's just a "product of conception," a "mass of cells," or even a parasite when you think about it. It's all relative.
J:Exactly! How then do you change people's thinking? How do you make people understand? Can I/we transform this mentality? Possibly, but people will hold to their truths. If one's truth is abortion is a right then it is no matter how much you try to convince them otherwise it is a right. Like you and I now. No matter what we say to each other, we still have opposing views. I think we all carry moral relativism to some extent, our understanding of life is all based on our perceptions of reality/morality, etc.. This is why I believe it boils down to personal choice. I cannot make one believe my beliefs. We generally act based on our beliefs. Even if one thought abortion was wrong, does that mean it will not be used?
"If there is nothing wrong with abortion, how can you disagree with those who use it as birth control. It is their choice, their money, and her body." This is true, it is their choice, but my belief is having consistent abortions (say 6) vs. using birth control methods to prevent pregnancy in the first place. That crosses a threshold for me. But ultimately it is her choice, her life, her body. And I have no say on how she decides to live her life and treat her body. "If the baby is born premature can it be aborted after the cord is cut? Chances are it will have a machine keeping it alive anyway." If a baby is born premature, it becomes the mother's decision whether to keep the child on "life support." If she chooses not to, then she is a murderer by your standards. But my truth would be she is letting nature take its course.
"I'm going to encourage black women to abort, to take care of the welfare problem and crime problem in the black community. I'll talk to Jews, non-Catholics, Muslims, midgets, any every one without blond hair and blue eyes, to do the same." This is a reality for some people. Can you change that? I can only live for me and try to educate my children one day. I do not want to dictate how people should live, behave, interact. As an educator, it is not my job to conform minds to my or any one belief or beliefs. It is our job to develop young minds to think for themselves, and make decisions based on what they believe is right. And "right" and "wrong" is different for everyone.
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